Reasons

posted December 14th, 2013, 2:01 am


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July 28th, 2013, 3:38 pm

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Depressing page is depressing.
Like I said, the end of the arc is worth it.

Btw, really fun site on the power of prayer;
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

You don't have to be athiest to appreciate the questions it raises.

Also, if I say anything offensive to anyone's religion, or I get a scriptural reference wrong, please correct me. I feel that every person is welcome to worship or not according to their own feeling. I have done my best to study the religions of the world in a quest for answers, and arrived at my own conclusions. I hope you do as well.

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December 14th, 2013, 4:39 pm

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AnneKrog said---
"Also, if I say anything offensive to anyone. . . .,
or I get a scriptural reference wrong, please correct me. I feel that every person is welcome to worship or not according to their own feeling. I have done my best to study . . . .
in a quest for answers, and arrived at my own conclusions. I hope you do as well. "

First off, I agree with you, AnneKrog, that everyone should address, review, and study spiritual things according to their own inclinations, or not to. God allows all people to decide how to address spiritual things, or to turn away. That is called " Free Will " or " Free Moral Agency ".

If I may, I would like to comment on the thoughts expressed on each panel---

Panel 1) God wants everyone, regardless of their circumstances, to consider and review spiritual matters. God " doesn't want ", or turns away no one.

Panel 2) God created perfect humans, but gave them Free Will to decide things. Humans have used their Free Will to disassociate themselves from God. God allows that. Because of being disassociated from God, by choice, imperfections in physical, as well as emotional and social aspects of the human experience have slowly become the norm. God allows this, with good reason. I have a sinful body and mind, like everyone else, but God did not create that, and certainly does not endorse what has happened to the human family.

Panel 3) Annie was using her Free Moral Agency as an intelligent human to decide what she thought was her best course of action. Getting invalid or wrong information from the churches did not help any, either. But God allows humans to decide for themselves what to do, even if that includes wrongly deciding to attempt to end one's life.

Panel 4) It is not a lose, lose / sin, sin situation for humans, mainly because of Jesus' sacrifice, but that is optional according to what humans decide to do about it. God doesn't " take " anyone. He allows humans to decide, and then he reacts, if need be, by means of a resurrection back to human life. Again, God doesn't " create " sinful humans. Centurys of disassociation from God and His principals of life have brought about this sorry condition that humans find themselves in.

Panel 5) Once again, God did not " create " this situation. Each person, with the choices that they make during their entire human life, or because of dealing with the circumstances that they were born with, like transgenderism,
" creates " their own unique circumstances that they have to live with. This is now God's " Day of Rest ", and although I think it is a bit distasteful to liken Him to a kid with an ant farm, I prefer to think that God is more of an armchair quarterback, just watching what His humans are doing, and watching how circumstances, from world events, to our own situations, play out. He can intervene and redirect human affairs if He wants to, and will eventually do so when it will do the most good for humans. He always has and still does offer help and encouragement for individual humans that choose to take advantage of that, but the vast majority of humans turn away from that by choice, to follow their own world of personal ideas of what to do, or what is right or wrong.

Panel 6) Help is still available for all humans, by prayer or other means, if they will only use their Free Moral Agency, and decide to study, understand, and implement God's life principals in their life, understanding how Jesus' sacrifice can " clear the board " for you, as well as living by the good things that Jesus taught. This is what I have chosen to do, others can choose to do otherwise, or do nothing.

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December 15th, 2013, 3:41 pm

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There are many aspects of me that would be considered "sin" by multiple religions out there. I disagree. Nothing that I do harms anybody else, either on purpose or by accident. If someone needs a religion in their life, thats fine! But too many of them frown upon or actively hate transgenderism, gays, and other parts of the human existence that deserve tolerance and support.

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June 20th, 2014, 3:54 pm

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Regardless of the hundreds of laws given in the Old Testmant, there's one pair in particular which often get cited together within both OT and NT (sometimes as a summary of the Ten Commandments):
1) Love God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength.
2) Love your neighbour as yourself.

The second in particular could be stated to be altruism - a concept frequently referred to by Jesus and also expressed as "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" - i.e. treat everyone with kindness and respect, and if they're in need of help / support / advice / resources which you're able to offer, then offer them!

As for the bulk of OT laws, there were a mixture of good behvaiour, diet, ritual and assorted extras to clearly distinguish the Hebrews from all the other tribes in the area. Add in a healthy dose of patriarchy and the fact women were considered severely subordinate to men, and it's certainly possible the laws against gay sex / crossdressing may have been intended to reinforce the patriarchy - you shall not demean yourself by lowering yourself to the status of a mere woman.

Then along comes Jesus. He reinforces those main two laws, while also criticsing the religious authorities of the day for being hypocritical (all mouth no action) and imposing over-zealous interpretations of the law (e.g. what constitutes work on the Sabbath). Reading what he said and did (rather than the author's interpretation) gives the impression of a chap leading a Back to Basics campaign, trying to restore the faith to an inclusive one (Everyone's welcome!) rather than an exclusive one (If you do X or Y, or don't do Z, you're not welcome and are condemned to the underworld upon death).

It's perhaps worth noting that the character of Jesus as presented in the Gospels was also probably the nearest thing his society had to a feminist. Although his 'inner circle' were all male, chances are they were all married and their wives may have accompanied them on their travels. Women also turn up with surprising frequency - he visits Mary and Martha on several occasions (Lazarus barely gets a look-in), a whole bunch turn up at the Cross while the disciples have retreated into hiding, Mary Magdala's one of the first to witness the events of the Resurrection. John even portrays him talking to a Samarian woman (the shock!) and being goaded by his mum to "do something!" when the hosts run out of wine at a wedding he'd been invited to.

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June 20th, 2014, 4:07 pm

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@mittfh: I believe I covered the crossdressing and "mere women" thing earlier, when Tony was going to the different churches. What I may not have stated is this;

The religions of Abraham were not so much based on god as they were a manual on how to build a civilization. At the time, there were VERY good at what they did, and kept a strong cultural identity. However, science and culture have now evolved past it, and these building blocks are simply no longer necessary.

However, and this is absolute crucial: Jesus did NOT say that the old testament was invalid.
Matthew 5:17 - "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
If Jesus existed, and is the figure they claim he is, he says outright to follow the world of the OT, plain as day. So do not suffer any Christian who says that they are Christian, follows the word of Christ, but says the OT is invalid. This is the only verse you need to tell them.

I could get into everything wrong with the bible, having done an absolutely ridiculous amount of research into it. But next time any woman tries to tell you about the bible, just quote 1 Timothy 2:12, and laugh at them. If a guy tries to teach you the bible, then refer back to 5:17, point at his socks, and laugh at him instead.
"I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet."

I would be more than happy to engage in theological discourse - there is a very good reason why I am atheist now.

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