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posted January 27th, 2014, 2:01 am


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July 28th, 2013, 7:07 pm

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This was kinda how I was while transitioning. Facing down the problem of which bathroom to use is terrifying.

I was working at Shaw Cable (a huge internet/TV/telecom) in Alberta during transition. They didn't care about it at all really, except to say that if anyone gave me problems I was supposed to report it. Nobody ever did. Anyways, there was a couple months where I had no idea which bathroom I was supposed to use. So I just didn't. Up until Dec 14, when I went full time, and then I straight up walked into the women's room. And guess what? Nobody cared.

Sometimes life isn't that complicated after all.
(More on this tomorrow).

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January 27th, 2014, 2:43 am

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In many places (most?) there aren't any laws concerning who is allowed in any particular bathroom, it's mostly just custom or uncodified (local ordinance/policy).

If there are any places where it is, I haven't been able to find the legal text. Also doesn't stop people, like Annie, thinking laws like that exist. :P

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January 27th, 2014, 3:28 am

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@4C51: In Alberta, prior to bill C-389, it was 'implied' that trans people could not be discriminated against for entering the bathroom of their gender. That is to say that it was an open debate for the court to decide if a person was 'of that gender' and, if so, if this is a case of discrimination.

Unfortunately, that means that if there is probable cause in the eyes of the officer, yes, a trans person can be charged with indecency.

As for Bill C-389? It's been stuck in parliament for 3 years. Prime Minister Harper is anti-LGBT and has been since before he took office, and unfortunately, has also held majority (or managed to persuade voting majority). So there you have it. Annie (and me, when I was transitioning) essentially had no legal rights for bathroom usage. You would be surprised at how vague the laws can be.

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January 27th, 2014, 6:17 am

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So going into the bathroom of the opposite gender is illegal?

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January 27th, 2014, 9:39 am

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California is the first state in the USA to have a law on the books that makes it LEGAL for a transgender student or person to use the rest room that corresponds to their correct or presented gender. It took effect on Jan. 1st. On the opposite end of the spectrum is Tennessee and Arizona, where a law has been proposed to make it illegal, and subject to jail time, for a person to use the rest room other than their birth gender. ( Tennessee State Police at all rest rooms to check your I.D., while criminals go on a rampage everywhere else since no police are around ? )

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January 27th, 2014, 11:49 am

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@Guest: It depends on where you live and how the laws are structured. Ponytails outlined some of the laws in the states.

Up here in Canada, it is /technically/ legal for a trans person to use the correct bathroom, based on non-discrimination laws. However, these laws are not very well written and are ambiguous enough that it is treated on a case-by-case basis to decide if you going into the correct bathroom is legal or not, or if the arresting officer is discriminating.

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February 7th, 2014, 10:53 am

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Female bathrooms are cool. The fountains, the butler with the warm towels and mints, the baskets of kittens they welcome you with, the giant wall to wall mirrors.
What? At my old job, when we closed the building, we had to clear the restrooms. Sometimes a girl would clear the men's and a guy would clear the women's. People moved faster when you did that.

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February 7th, 2014, 5:00 pm

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Can I link this to a thread where they are having a debate about "transgender bathroom bill - yes or no?" It is a thread on FetLife, just to warn you.

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February 7th, 2014, 7:04 pm

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@Valley: Do what you want. It's not like I could stop you if I wanted to. And maybe someone will actually get some good out of it, who knows.

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June 21st, 2014, 5:27 am

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Brilliantly inventive thinking by Sophie there!

As for the bathroom debate, I'd imagine the chances of a female getting assaulted inside the bathroom (by anyone) are so remote the number of cases annually is probably too small to publish. The number of cases of a biological male assaulting a female inside their bathroom? Probably nil.

Trans girls who enter female bathrooms generally do so to use the facilities and then exit, the same as any other girl (shocking, isn't it?!)

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