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posted August 11th, 2014, 2:01 am


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October 12th, 2013, 6:20 am

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I really wanted to put the line "Annie, you are the only one being awkward" in frame 5, I just couldn't find a way. Meh.

What is the right protocol with this kind of thing? Seriously, my brother was way older than me and I never dated, so it's not like it ever came up.

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August 13th, 2014, 1:29 pm

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Why does there need to be protocol? Isnt it up to Lexi, and not Annie?

Sorry, this is something I feel strongly about... I will never ask a woman's father for permission to marry her. She's not owned by him.

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August 13th, 2014, 3:33 pm

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@Elessir: Common human decency? You aren't asking for permission, you are asking for a blessing. It has nothing to do with ownership and everything to do with taking a step in the realm of permanence, the transference of primary care to secondary.

When you ask permission from a father to marry their kid, you aren't asking if it is ok. You are essentially asking for them to give up their place as the primary caregiver, and for their kid, as the primary source of love in their life.

Anyone who thinks it is still about ownership needs to get past the biblical meanings and move on. I know where you are coming from, having talked to you and studied what you grew up with. But that has nothing to do with this page. There is no concept of ownership as their is a concept of desire to protect the wellbeing of another.
Annie doesn't own Lexi and isn't pretending to. In fact, in frame 3, that is brought up in direct opposition to what you said. In the standard colloquial of friends asking about friends/siblings before proposing a relationship, it is often about things being awkward.

Please try to move past what your religion has done to you.

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August 14th, 2014, 11:31 pm

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@GreenKrog: Its not so much a religious thing as it is a gender equality thing.

That sort of situation? Between friends? I can see why Annie would want at least a warning.

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August 15th, 2014, 12:01 am

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@Elessir: How is it a gender equality thing when I never once mentioned gender? In this specific situation, I made absolutely sure to use genderless pronouns. Every sentence was very carefully crafted, not only in the comic itself, but in my response to you. In every frame and sentence you could just as easily swap the word brother or son.

In your quest to prove you stand for gender equality, you singlehandedly reduced this to 'women are weak, and I am protecting them with my shining armour'. Which provided exactly the opposite effect you were attempting to achieve.

Do you honestly think that I would make a mistake like that? Do you think that after my years of fighting for equality, both internal and external, I would turn either my own arguments or the canon of the story into a 'women are weak and need protection' rhetoric? Do you honestly think that I wouldn't have that problem with any of my friends asking out any of my other friends?

Please, don't feel like I have deliberately torn into you. I agree, I did bait you out a little bit to make a point, and I feel bad for that. I just want you to be able to see how your argument was inherently antifeminist, because I was not the one who made it about gender equality - YOU did.

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August 15th, 2014, 2:21 am

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@GreenKrog: my comment about gender equality was in reference to my statement about asking a woman's male relative for permission to marry them, not to this comic.

Okay, i made a stand. isnt that what i'm supposed to do? It sounds like its a trap... if i dont intervene i'm not helping, and letting things get worse through apathy. but then if i intervene, trying to do some good in this world, its somehow anti-feminist?

Asking a friend if they mind if you ask their friend out or whatever, thats a gray area. Right and wrong depend on circumstances and context.

No, I dont think you would make a mistake like that. And you know me well enough to know that I try to be really careful with what I say. And i also dont mind if you baited me out. I still love you and discussion is good.

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