Defense Lawyer

posted February 9th, 2015, 2:01 am


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February 24th, 2014, 3:27 am

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Legal note: A person's chosen name and gender are NOT legally protected in this country without actual documents of change. Trust me. So no, her gender identity is entirely up to how people want to treat her.

Also, no, the gay panic defense has never been successfully used in Canada, but then again, nothing in Annie's life has been true. So you can probably save your breath!

Fun fact: I had to come up with ANOTHER last name for the nurse, and so.. google. Apparently a lot of african-american people from slave heritage (hereby known as black people for simplicity) take their last name from either presidents or their slave owners. So Lincoln actually makes sense as a last name for a black person living in Canada. There. My reasoning.

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February 9th, 2015, 7:19 am

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" This person was out in public dressed as a girl/woman, wearing a short, pleated skirt, so they are at fault because of the way they were dressed, and they are responsible for the revulsion and violence that was brought forth in me . . . ."

Where have we heard statements like this before, statements that place all of the blame for the vile conduct that happened, that was instigated by the perpetrator, and forced on the victim, because it was the victim's supposed fault ?

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February 9th, 2015, 9:36 am

Emilee (Guest)

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I'm not a lawyer, but I get the feeling that everything about this case would be open and shut. Regardless of WHO it was, or their attributes, there would have been security footage at any kind of venue like that. I've been backstage for many underground shows and if they have a goddamn dressing room, theyre legit enough to have cameras. Hell, the backyard show we did last April had cameras, and we're not in a rich area. That, coupled with eyewitness reports and the physical harm easily visible on both victims, would put him under for assault and battery. Even if it is a trans person, there is no defense for it.

No offense, but this entire comic is just so exaggerated and unrealistic, it makes it really hard to read sometimes.

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February 9th, 2015, 10:21 am

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@Emilee: I don't see any way that I could not be offended by that. The comment you made has no supportive or critiquing quality, it simply amounts to "your work is bad, and I don't want to read it".

If you don't want to read it, then don't. If someone else is telling a better trans story than I am, go read that instead. I sure as hell don't need to feed my depression with this.

Edit: As much as the drugs keeping me alive right now let me not care, clearly this one deeply hurts me. So just on my walk to work, I can think of a number of things that invalidate what you said simply going by canonical events;

There is no camera in her room because she isn't using a main dressing room (she is in a tent, essentially, instead of a real dressing room. Which is not standard for a large venue such as the Calgary Saddledome. I did this on purpose when I wrote it).

There is no camera because she is paranoid about people being able to see her changing. This has been shown many times with her not wanting to talk to the media about herself - it easily stands to reason that she wouldn't want any chance of someone seeing her genitals while changing.

There is no camera because Olsen turned off the camera before doing this. Clearly he is the supervisor on the crew and understands cameras, as established in the hospital. he could easily have disengaged it, especially in a mobile setup like Annie is changing in.

**Spoiler** It is an open and shut case, the jury deliberates for two hours. If you were patient you would find that it is exactly as easy as you say it should be.
*End spoiler**

Ignoring all of this, what about it being counted as a hate crime? Even if Olson trying to kill Annie is attempted first degree murder, does it have extenuating circumstance? Regardless of it someone sees him holding the knife, it still had to go before a jury to show it. Also, does it make it a panic or premeditated? If he had cut the camera it would make it premeditated, would it not?
Believe it or not, a case needs to prove what level of premeditation was done, not simply if a person was innocent or guilty. The sentencing also needs to know if it was a hate crime, and that is not a simple open and shut.

But hey, that is just stuff I came up with in the 10 minute walk from home to work. Now I get to spend the next few weeks brooding over how shitty I am as a person.

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February 9th, 2015, 1:27 pm

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@GreenKrog: To be fair, there can be some story elements that can read as a little melodramatic at times, but considering this is a work of fiction, it kind of comes with the territory. And in regards to this trial, this seems fairly plausible as a way this would go. I mean, the defense attorney has basically no hope of avoiding some kind of attempted murder charge, she can really only hope to avoid either murder one(unlikely, given the vast sea of witnessess and evidence) or stop hate crime from getting tacked on (slightly less unlikely, because people are awful). This is a case that seems unwinnable by the defense, so the only way they can gain traction is by dragging Annie through the mud and hope Olson seems less like a steaming pile of shit relative to her, ie any rape defense case ever.

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February 9th, 2015, 1:43 pm

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@Erin: I am absolutely fine with constructive criticism. I like being told them I have made an error that I can correct. I am not ok with being blatantly told that my work is bad and they would prefer to not read it. That doesn't help me grow as a person and is roughly equal to being hauled out back and kicked in the groin for a few hours.
Of course the web comic is melodramatic, as I stated in the News section it is designed to be as brutal as it can be to present a worst case scenario for people to work through their fears safely. If people want to read a trans web comic where things go smoothly and everyone just gets along - they can go read Rain (which they should be anyways).

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February 9th, 2015, 11:16 pm

Grenartia

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@GreenKrog:

*reads both, because they were taught to prepare for the worst and hope for the best*

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February 9th, 2015, 11:50 pm

GreenKrog

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@Grenartia: I don't understand what you mean.

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February 10th, 2015, 6:37 am

Thessalonike

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@GreenKrog: I think what Grenartia is saying is that they agree with you. They read Rain because it is a cute webcomic that shows what a fairly supportive and hopeful outcome might look like (i.e. "hope for the best"), and they read Wildflowers because it's a touching tale that includes some of the worst that could happen (i.e. "prepare for the worst").

Also, somehow I had completely missed or forgotten that this took place in Alberta. Hi from Ontario :)

*Edited to correct pronouns

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February 10th, 2015, 8:07 am

Grenartia

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@Thessalonike:

I'm a "they", instead of a "she" (no worries, it happens often, but mostly with "he", so I'm glad to get a "she" for once :P), but otherwise, you're exactly right.

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February 10th, 2015, 9:00 am

Thessalonike

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@Grenartia: Corrected – thanks for letting me know. :)

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February 10th, 2015, 11:30 pm

Grenartia

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@Thessalonike: Not a problem at all. And thanks for changing it. :]

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February 10th, 2015, 8:57 am

DCFan (Guest)

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I found this webcomic to be quite a compelling story. Never read Rain--though I probably will take a look, actually I just read the entirity of Wild Flowers at the end of December and have been keeping up with it since.

There is a certain level of tension, I am worried about when the next shoe will drop and bad things will happen to Annie.

PS: The Bernts convinced me that my wife and I could and should try fostering/adoption of an older child. We had been considering before hand, but wasn't sure because of the way fostering to adoption works.

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