Bechdel

posted March 29th, 2015, 2:01 am


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April 12th, 2014, 5:13 am

GreenKrog

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For those unfamiliar with it, the Bechdel test is a benchmark for how feminist a movie is. To pass it, the movie must satisfy three criteria.
1) Have more than woman female character
2) Have those female characters talk to each other
3) Have them talk to each other about something other than men.

It is a well meaning test meant to point out how few movies have meaningful female characters in them. I personally do my best to stick to passing this test. However, it should also be taken with a huge grain of salt. Consider this. 300: Rise of an Empire. Two of the most powerful women put on cinema, leaders of armies and kingdoms, buuuut they don't talk to each other. So, nope, not feminist.
Cpt 'murica 2: Multiple, very strong female characters. But they don't talk to each other directly. So, nope, not feminist.
As you can see, the test is interesting, but certainly not to be relied on. As always, use a rational mind to analyze things by their merit instead of by broad and sweeping tests that can clearly hold no ground.

Also, yes, I am well aware that a lot of this recently has been about Annie's physical weakness and her being scared of what nearly happened with that guy. Well, it is Apr 2013 right now, which is when the original story went live, and I have to relive it. So I may be a little focused on it. Sorry. That kind of stuff, even if you get the strength to move past it, it is never truly gone.

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March 30th, 2015, 9:31 am

Grenartia

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@GreenKrog:

You didn't mention perhaps the most-well known case: The original Star Wars trilogy.

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January 20th, 2016, 7:17 pm

Zophie (Guest)

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I always make sure to apply the test to every show or movie I watch...only to inevitably squirm I discomfort and annoyance that something didn't pass it. Again.

That's not to say it's an indictment of the overall..whatever it is. But it'd be nice if things passed more often.

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January 20th, 2016, 8:50 pm

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@Zophie: Did you not read the above examples of very feminist movies that happened to fail the Bechdel test? I get that it has some purpose, but trying to apply it universally is as useless as saying all open wounds need stitches. Heck, Resident Evil 1 had two of the most badass chicks in scifi, but they don't talk to each other, so it fails. Jurassic World had a supposedly badass woman in it, but she only ever talked to other women about the boys, so it fails. Antman, the main chick who is now The Wasp, never talked to another girl in the entire movie.

I'm just saying, the test isn't indicative of feminism. Consider the movies in 2016 that did pass it, and how horribly they represented feminism (mostly comedy). For example, Spy. And Jupiter Ascending. We should be judging by character writing, not by the Bechdel test.

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January 20th, 2016, 9:28 pm

Zophie (Guest)

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@GreenKrog: I may have..skimmed. I have a tendency to jump the gun at times when I have something to say, so thank you for calling me out on it.

I guess I should elaborate on what was going through my mind as I wrote that. I started thinking about all the things that I watched that missed the third criteria. Ones noticeable and jarring enough that made me think about the test when I watched them. I thought I applied it across the board, but now that I think about it, its always after something didn't. So that's on me for not saying what I mean, as well as not thinking carefully before responding.

As well, it was rude of me to not properly hear you out, so my apologies. And as for what you said, you made valid points, so I'll think on it, and about how I respond to things like this more often (instead of knee-jerky and without forethought).

Sorry if this is long. I needed the space to give a sincere answer.

Ps: Sorry I apologize often. I'm working on breaking that habit.

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January 20th, 2016, 9:44 pm

GreenKrog

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@Zophie: Being wrong* is the first step to being right. Shaming ourselves or feeling bad accomplishes nothing, but learning and moving forward certainly does. That's how science works, after all!

It wasn't rude of you to not read it. I can't imagine how bloody long it would take everyone to read every comment I've ever posted on over a thousand pages. Its already a huge task to even read the comic for that long!

*You aren't wrong, by the way. You may be completely right, and I am wrong. Or, we may both be right at the same time. Or both wrong at the same time. Social interaction isn't a zero sum game. Any time someone questions what I have to say, it gives me the chance to see if I got things wrong, and adjust my thoughts to incorporate that of others. So it's not only all good, its ALL good!

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January 20th, 2016, 10:08 pm

Zophie (Guest)

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@GreenKrog: Yep yep. Couldn't agree more (or put it into words. Another thing I'm trying to work on). That's why I'm so happy right now. This is giving me an opportunity to practice what I preach; to maybe gain a new perspective from having my views challenged. So, thank you :D

And holy hoppips... how am I already on 922? When did I start reading this again? Did I go through a time warp at some point..?

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