Rhinoplasty

posted October 17th, 2015, 2:01 am


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November 15th, 2014, 5:46 am

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Rhinoplasty is the medical term for nose reconstruction. I know, it is a bad trope for one of the popular girls to have a nose job, and even moreso for the Jewish girl to have gotten one. But then again, you also don't know her family heritage, she may be Jewish from religious choice and not genetics. NOW who is being racist and stereotypical?
Think about it. Anyone pointing out how you are being stereotypical does so because they are pointing out the flaws of the stereotyped. Interesting. To me, at least.

"You saying I have a penis? Pretty sure I don't". Pure class, Wendy. *hands out monocles*.

Annie! Way to stand up for yourself! Without hesitation no less!

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October 17th, 2015, 4:51 am

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sorry for being that person but that last panel, should it be done instead of doing?

again, sorry for being that person n w n;;

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October 17th, 2015, 11:51 am

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@MediocreArts: Feexed.

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October 17th, 2015, 2:17 pm

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I am not trans, so obviously my input and opinions are largely irrelevant, but if Annie was a local celebrity with such a dramatic backstory, wouldn't she have expected people to recognize her sooner or later? It seems like the outbursts could be avoided if she told people upfront about her trans status. I get that it's probably awkward or painful, but is it more painful than an episode like this? I would think it would be easier to deal with an acquaintance being disgusted and storming off, rather than someone you thought of as a friend or colleague.

Also, on an artistry note, I feel like your characters would look better or more realistic with a little more chin. Not a "masculine" amount, but something.

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October 18th, 2015, 10:27 pm

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@Nick: Your opinions are and never will be irrelevant. For anyone to discount the opinion of another simply because they have not had the same experiences is to discount everyone but yourself. Even those who are against us have a valid input and are relevant, because they show how others think and demonstrate what we need to focus on for educating people. So declaring irrelevancy is not cool.
That said, having a sentence with two complete thoughts should be spliced by a semicolon and not another comma. So - largely irrelevant; but if __ backstory, wouldn't.
So take THAT! :)
...sorry, I just spent all weekend with a lot of nerds and we argue math and physics and English to an amount that goes well beyond normal. We also ate a lot of candy and went to haunted houses. That is beside the point.

Annie's celebrity status is disputable. They toured at some very local cities in a fairly large venue, but their type of music is not really widely listened to. Aside from her version of Wildflowers, I doubt they get any radio time. Sort of seems like 'if you know them, you know them' kind of celebrity status. For her stabbing, it seems likely it would have been in the news - but likely without a picture or her name. If you recall, she has not had any interviews with anyone, and Valerie and Ms Epers have been keeping who she is under wraps. Even if people do manage to put it together with a face, she has always presented as female when singing, nobody knows who she was before being the Maiden. So any speculation would simply be speculation. Her trans status would be the kind of thing that would likely be edited out of wiki. Which leaves only a very small subset of people who would recognize her, much less think she was a dude at any point.

A problem with living in 'stealth', as trans people call it, is that it is very painful if someone DOES find out. On the other hand, it is very painful to go through every day wondering if people see you as 'Annie, the transgender chick' or 'Annie, oh yeah she is also transgender'. Annie opted to go with being given a chance to be normal. Keep in mind, her being openly trans in a public institution would make it difficult for the authority to deal with parents and the like who are told by their kids that they are uncomfortable with it. The principal has to let the government psychiatrist allow Annie go to school as herself. How many parents would it take in a redneck city to make the situation bad enough that he would be forced to act on it and either kick her out or make her quit all teams/change with the boys/whatever.
Though you likely mean her friends specifically, not the general population. In which case, she needs to ask herself if it is better to come out and lose a friend or keep quiet and be friends long enough that it is cemented in their mind who she is. In the case of Cindi, they have known each other only a short time. Cindi is already competing for time with Wendy, and now has to deal with Lexi coming back to school. She is likely less willing to accept the normalcy of Annie being who she is than if they know each other longer.
In all of that, it is invalidating to have to go through your history. It is like someone asking what your dead name is - that is never acceptable. In saying that she should be upfront, it is essentially saying 'I am and will never just be a woman, so instead this is what I am'.
I hope all of that made sense?

As for the art, I don't disagree in the least. My face structures are extremely limited. I simply don't know what people look like enough to make them look more human. I look at tutorials and they just make no sense to me, humans are these weird abstract creations that don't form real objects. If you want to draw them and send me a side by side picture so I can understand what you mean, I would love to see it and try to incorporate it. My total lack of skill could always use more work.

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October 17th, 2015, 3:54 pm

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I really love it when people say "you're gonna burn in hell" to transgender and/or homosexual people.

The Bible is amazingly vague when it comes to gender and sexuality issues. What I'm pretty sure it isn't vague on, however, is that we're supposed to let God do the judging and be nice to everyone in the meantime. So yeah, she might want to reconsider who's going to hell.

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October 18th, 2015, 1:28 pm

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@Yan Mouson: The bible (or in Cindi's case, the Torah) is quite clear on both. Crossdressing (deut 22) is an abomination. A man sleeping with another man as he would a woman, is an abomination. This isn't confusing in any way.

What is entertainingly confusing is that hell does not actually exist in the Christian faith. It was introduced a long time after the bible was written - anywhere from 150bc to 1600 bc. But hey, biblical scholars will know that, and Christians (and jews) won't.

The Torah is very clear that you do not to let Yahweh do the judging. You are to follow the commandments that He set forth. This includes killing people (for stuff like insulting their parents) and making sure women on their period are sent outside of the city until they are clean. This is not in question - it is absolute codified. Christians are told to let God do the judging, the Jewish are not.

Unfortunately for Cindi, she is under the Christian mythos of Jewish faith, as our western society has pushed on all the Abrahamic notions. So to her, gays and trans people are already judged as abominations, and they are going to hell.

Sorry, but, you are wrong on this one. It is not vague.

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October 18th, 2015, 2:16 pm

Yan Mouson

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@GreenKrog: Sorry, forgot she was Jewish. For Christian people, I do believe Jesus spent most of his time telling everyone to stop judging people because God's going to take care of that at a later date.

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