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posted October 22nd, 2015, 2:01 am


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November 15th, 2014, 6:09 am

GreenKrog

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Looks like Annie has really started growing a thicker skin. She is defending herself! Lexi is rubbing off on her! I wonder if Lexi is CQ?

Also, yes, another mention of Cindi's roots. This one I feel less bad about because if you have ever been to, well, any forum, calling people secret nazis is pretty much base one for teenagers. Plus it really feels like it would be something she would say if she was given the chance.
Though.. why exactly did she defend Annie here, anyways?

"Public opinion truly lies"
"Public opinions truly lie"
FIGHT.

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October 22nd, 2015, 3:11 am

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I think Annie's starting to realize how empty the principal's threats really are. He can't do anything against her because if he does, the PR shitstorm that will follow will probably involve him getting fired.

It is impossible to determine where public opinion truly lies because it's very divided on issues like this. While it's true that a vocal segment of the population would be against Annie, another vocal segment of the population would call for Principal Douchenozzle's head, and the people in charge tend to favor the more "politically correct" side.

If Annie is ever outed, she can easily take the principal down with her, so it's in his best interest to ensure that does not happen. He's perfectly aware of that, hence why he wants those rumors quelled.

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October 22nd, 2015, 3:50 pm

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@Yan Mouson: I can only assume you are not on the Wildflowers facebook page. Please look it up and check the link most recently posted. It will clarify exactly what happens to transgender students in Alberta.

TL:DNR - students in the Alberta catholic schoolboard, even if they are 7, are treated as pedophiles and rapists just for being transgender.

There is NOTHING empty about the principals threats.

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October 23rd, 2015, 4:21 pm

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@GreenKrog: Damn, screw Alberta. Here in Quebec, most of the people I talk to, especially among teens and young adults, have really progressive attitudes. Well, I haven't quizzed people about transgender issues specifically, but everyone's totally fine with homosexuality, so I assume being transgender wouldn't be that bad.

By the way, how do you feel about being finally rid of Harper? ... Please tell me you didn't vote for him.

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October 23rd, 2015, 4:30 pm

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@Yan Mouson: OF course I voted conservative, I LOVE Bill 279! Who wouldn't want to have to show their genitals to prove they are allowed into a bathroom? Theres no reason at all that any trans person on earth wouldn't vote for the guy who tried to promote a 'get rid of all muslims' hotline? Are you crazy? Anyone who voted for anyone other than the very incarnate of holy goodness on this earth doesn't know what is good for them!

...I voted NDP. Doesn't matter, liberal won my riding because of strategic voting. But liberal is so close to NDP right now that it makes little difference. So far, I am whelmed by Trudeau. Maybe he learned from his dad AND from the massive levels of hate he was going to get from Conservative redneck land? Maybe he will unit Canada? And maybe Alberta can stop being a bunch of redneck fucks and stop being Christian and we can actually fix that stupid province?

(I'm going to stop now).

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October 24th, 2015, 12:35 am

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@GreenKrog: I'm mostly just glad that, with mister "oil is everything" out of the way, we can finally start working on fixing our economy and getting our dollar's value back up. I want video games to go back down to sixty bucks, damn it!

... and yeah, everything you said too.

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October 23rd, 2015, 8:44 pm

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@GreenKrog:

I should note that it seems that even taking that into account, the principal still wouldn't be safe. After all, he /knew/ about this "pedophilic rapist" "man" "pretending to be" a girl, and still allowed her to participate, and use girl's facilities. If he brings Annie down, he still goes down with her.

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October 23rd, 2015, 9:18 pm

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@Grenartia: Except that his hand was forced by the schoolboard. He already went on record saying he was against it and would only do exactly what they say he has to. He wanted to protect the sweet young ladies of the school but the evil government was against him.

He is in a much better place than you might be giving him credit for.

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October 25th, 2015, 2:04 am

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@GreenKrog:
See, I'm putting myself in the place of a typical transphobic voter. In that frame of mind, I wouldn't see that excuse that way. It would merely come across as a way for a government official to shift the blame to save his own skin, instead of taking responsibility.

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October 23rd, 2015, 1:35 am

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I don't get that ... I thought she officially had her name changed, so there is no valid evidence that she actually is trans. And forum rumours are no valid evidence, like Cindi said. Was it just the letter from the psychiatrist and I got it wrong?

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October 23rd, 2015, 1:51 am

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@Whitethroat: Annie's name is indeed legally changed. Her gender designation on registration forms probably is not. The principal keeping things hidden is only as obligatory as what the Bernts are able to put forth, but not any more than what the other parents can overwhelm.

Picture it sort of like this: if someone is accused of rape, even if there is no evidence of it, public opinion may force the administration to act on it. Guilt or not is irrelevant. Think about what happened at *EDIT* Duke University, NOT Stubenville as previously stated *end edit*.

Forum rumours a-
hey! You used an ou! You are a Canadian! Hi!
-re not evidence at all, but if it makes the other students begin to attack her, or their parents attack the administration, he is freed from the Bernts and their 'suggestion'. There is more riding on the line than a name - consider that Annie is also on a competitive sports team (swimming). Currently they are mixed gender, but what if competition calls for males on males and female on females. If Annie wins, and people start demanding to know if she is biologically female, then what happens? Rumours beget rumours, which beget digging, which beget hard evidence, which beget action.

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October 23rd, 2015, 2:24 am

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In fact, I am from Europe and not even a native speaker, but prefer British English over American English. In my country, correcting your gender designation usually goes with the name change, except you don't want that.

And sigh, people are cruel. It reminds me of the Caster Semenya case. Nature doesn't do everything on the base of two blueprints concerning humans. And as Annie is on hormones and gets supervised on that, she may have "more perfect" levels than cis girls. But try to explain that to people who take their pleasure in attacking others...

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October 23rd, 2015, 3:02 pm

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@Whitethroat: I had to edit the above comment, I meant Duke University and NOT Stubenville, they are very very different and I drastically failed on my memory on that one. I did not mean to in any way support Stubenville, that would be really fucked up. I meant to support the Duke Lacross team from the bullshit that was rained on them.

In Canada, it is starting to become possible to get your gender designation changed without surgery, but that depends on the province. For Annie, she would have loved to have that change, but she has also been living full time for less than a year.

Annie had a conversation about hormones with Erica earlier, if you recall. Annie's T is probably the lowest in that entire school, but that makes no difference to what people perceive. I shudder to think how they would try to wrap their heads around an intersexed person.

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October 24th, 2015, 5:45 am

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@GreenKrog: Okay, I really seem to live in a privileged country, a few years ago our Federal Supreme Court decided that it would be against human rights, especially the right for free self-development, to demand infertility for a gender designation change. We also have halfway fair health care that covers HRT and most surgeries.
Concerning Duke Lacross (had to look it up first), false accusations always make me cringe as it makes it harder for people who really experience violence against them, no matter on which side.

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October 24th, 2015, 11:26 am

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@Whitethroat: Canada is relatively progressive with gender designation now. 6 years ago, it was impossible to change designation without surgery. Now it is possible in some provinces. Which is only reasonable because some people are either non-op or live in one of the few places that doesn't cover surgery. Or are a transdude and are on the 20 year wait list for surgery, which is another issue entirely.
No provinces up here cover HRT. Many cover bottom surgery. Breast augmentation is covered in some places but only if you have had zero growth from HRT over several years. Nobody covered vocal scraping or FFS. Really, I think we have a pretty reasonable system set up now, and it looks like it is only getting better.

This said, I got my surgery while living in Alberta back in.. uh.. 2005?Ish? 2003? Something like that. The month after I had mine, the provincial government cut funding for SRS until just a few years ago, when they reinstated it. I was incredibly lucky.

The larger problem I see with Duke is that we are so focused on these big false claims and we are doing absolutely nothing to focus on real effective change for everyone else. This case got huge coverage, but female on male rape and female on female domestic abuse gets zero media time. Feminists back the 'I stand with Jackie' movement even though she has been proven false. It has created this guilty until proven innocent system in the states, but only for a woman charging a man.
...because according to the legal system in North America, men can't be raped by a woman. Fun fact.
I'm going to stop now. Because it bothers me so much.

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