Hypocricy

posted November 10th, 2015, 2:01 am


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January 28th, 2015, 5:04 pm

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I guess I should probably make it clear that I actually have no frickin clue what happens if you overdose on anti anxiety pills. All I've ever had was serequol, and if you take too much of that you just don't wake up for a long time. Nothing like what Annie had!

Also.. damn did that escalate.

(Edit: after having tried to kill myself this past summer via Serequol overdose, I can tell you that you can in fact cause permanent heart damage. You might not die from the overdose, but the severe heart problems that follow are something to consider)

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November 10th, 2015, 6:04 am

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Pills can effect everyone differently due to brain chemistry. I have bad reactions to everything. Anxiety meds make me really sick. So I can easily believe she'd get high and loopy on a strong dose.

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November 10th, 2015, 11:29 am

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This situation is... complicated.

It isn't okay that said what she did to Cindi, but there were other factors at play, like the fact that Cindi had a hand, even if indirectly, in what happened to Annie. Unchecked anger can make us say awful things, especially if coupled with drugs (strong and expired ones at that.)

Wendy needs time to cool down after learning this, there's no doubt about that. If their friendship means anything to her though, she'll have to work through this, maybe by learning all the facts first. Not that that will make any part of this better, but at least she'll have a better understanding of the chain of events.

Krog, I'm glad you're still here. What happened?

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November 10th, 2015, 1:29 pm

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@Guest: Without truly understanding Annie's situation, I don't think Wendy will ever really be able to get why this happened. Especially since Annie has never said anything like this to anyone, Wendy now has to wonder how bad of a person Annie is.

As form e? Not much to say. Mixed episode of bipolar, terrible life situation including being hit in the head by my girlfriend, and the overwhelming need to not be any more. As I've said before, I managed to die via having Serequol and being forced to get some exercise (causing a heart failure). So I figured I could do it again. I couldn't, but my heart is now in a state where it might randomly fail. I had an angina/heart attack last week out of nowhere. That's not normal for an active, in-shape person like me.
I'm no longer on serequol, which means I don't sleep any more. But it is better than continuing to poison myself, right? Then again, when I get manic again next year, I will have to find an alternative - and I've already tried a lot of alternatives.

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November 10th, 2015, 11:30 am

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@glitchedout: I agree. The excuse of 'I said it while high' or drunk is not good enough. If Cindi dies because of what Annie said, it is the same as if Annie was driving drunk. You don't get to just blame it on your actions because of drugs, when it was your choice to get on those drugs. Wendy is perfectly justified in being incredibly angry.

I get it, Annie is still learning how to be a whole person. Maybe this will steer her on the right course, so she can build on her mistakes. Seems to be what she has done with every other horrible thing in her life. Hopefully it won't be something she can never let go of..

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November 11th, 2015, 12:37 am

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@GreenKrog: Then again, while it is fair to say that Annie is entirely responsible for the things she says while high or drunk, I don't think it's fair to hold her responsible for the things other people do as a result of what she says.

Unless you've been withholding some very important information, it's probably safe to assume that Annie does not have mind control powers. Therefore, if Cindi does kill herself, that's kind of on her. She's her own person, capable of making her own choices. And yeah, she was in a bad place when Annie said those things, but that was entirely her fault too.

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November 11th, 2015, 1:18 am

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@Yan Mouson: You are right. The cuts on my arms due to the self hatred I felt growing up surrounded by people telling me constantly that I was a sin, that is on me. The times I tried to take my own life because I knew I could never be anything more than a monster, because that is what everyone I had ever met told me, that was on me. That kid who I told the parents of in an attempt to try to get them helped, who was then put in a deconversion camp and killed themselves when they got out, that was their fault.

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November 11th, 2015, 4:25 am

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@GreenKrog: Well, technically yeah. No matter how much harm you ("you" here being a generic you, as in an unspecified person) inflict on someone, you're not responsible for the harm they in turn might inflict on themselves or on others. You still absolutely should be held accountable for your own actions, but I do believe the person who suffered from said actions still has free will and should also be held accountable for what they do next.

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