Explosive Monday

posted December 14th, 2015, 2:01 am


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February 2nd, 2015, 6:15 pm

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The hell just happened here?!

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December 14th, 2015, 4:31 am

Yan Mouson

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Does anyone in this comic not have serious psychological issues? I'm starting to wonder.

In Bree's defense, though, I totally understand her decision to not have Facebook, because Facebook is evil.

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December 14th, 2015, 10:00 am

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@Yan Mouson: Normal people;
Flint
Mitch
Thompkins
Dan Bernt
Julie Bernt (infertile)
Sophie
Andrea (her problems were physical)
Vic
Jamie
Valerie
P
Gerald Andrews (Annie's dad)
Bill Andrews (Annies brother)
Wendy
Zora
Oscar
Mal
Harper
And a bunch more.

People who appears to have issues;
Annie (PTSD, social anxiety, possible bipolar)
Bree (undetermined)
Kora (possible borderline, emotional instability)
Lexi (anorexia)
Debra Andrews (religion)
Erica (autism spectrum)
Cindi (religion)

-I could religion as a mental problem.

Also, for your reading pleasure.
http://www.cmha.ca/media/fast-facts-about-mental-illness/#.Vm8Air9jZCE

Summary: 1/5 people in Canada will suffer from a mental illness in their lives. 5% of all people live with an impairing level of social anxiety (that is 1/20). 8% of adults will suffer major depression, much higher if the person went through early trauma.

I gave you 18 people who are totally normal and 5 with mental illness - roughly 20%. Religion accounts for another 2 people, and you could lump them with either group.

So for you to ask 'is anyone normal', then yes, this is a very accurate representation of the Canadian populace. You just wouldn't know it because too many people live in shame and won't be open about it. Too many people see themselves as odd or outcast and can't handle that they need help. Annie won't tell her friends how much help she needs. Kora was hurt when her friends tried to get her help. Mental illness is far more prevalent than one might thing, and despite the nature of this story, I have nearly UNDER represented it.

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December 16th, 2015, 4:20 am

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@GreenKrog: Believe me, I know about that. I am a clusterfuck of psychological issues, and I'm not the only one in my family. Seriously, I'm on the autism spectrum and dealing with gender identity issues and somehow, I seem perfectly normal and well-adjusted compared to one of my siblings.

The point I was making isn't so much that there are no "normal" characters in the comic, but rather that all the characters currently occupying the spotlight seem to be dealing with major issues. With the exception of Wendy, everyone who doesn't have mental problems has kind of faded into the background, only appearing once in a while to remind us that they still exist.

The result, in-story, is that Annie doesn't have a strong support network like she used to, as it looks like anyone she relies on could collapse or turn on her at any moment.

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December 16th, 2015, 9:49 am

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@Yan Mouson: So people who have major issues of their own can't be strong enough to support anyone else.

Might as well just have Kora finish herself off then, because she clearly has no purpose.

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December 16th, 2015, 2:38 pm

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@GreenKrog: I don't get what you're trying to say here. Have I said something that offends you? Because the second part of your comment seems like an insane jump to conclusions. You may want to take a step back and read my comment again with a more rational outlook.

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December 16th, 2015, 2:53 pm

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@Yan Mouson: "The point I was making isn't so much that there are no "normal" characters in the comic, but rather that all the characters currently occupying the spotlight seem to be dealing with major issues."
"The result, in-story, is that Annie doesn't have a strong support network like she used to, as it looks like anyone she relies on could collapse or turn on her at any moment."

Was this in any way taken out of context or was it a direct quote? Was there any way to interpret this other than "people dealing with mental issues cannot be depended on because they will just collapse on themselves"?
Go ahead and clarify yourself out of this one with a more rational outlook. In the meantime, I will leave you with a Robin Williams quote while I do my best to support the trans community during my own self collapse as my arms bleed;

“I think the saddest people always try their hardest to make people happy because they know what it’s like to feel absolutely worthless and they don’t want anyone else to feel like that.” - Robin Williams

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December 16th, 2015, 3:15 pm

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@GreenKrog: The problem here seems to be that you interpret everything I say in absolutes. Either people can be depended on at all times or not at all.

What I'm saying is that people dealing with mental issues can offer great support, but may also falter when they hit a rough spot. I know I've had my moments, sometimes weeks at a time, when I'd be completely useless to anyone around me.

Annie is extremely emotionally unstable. We've seen that even a small push can send her spiraling into days of depression. Can you honestly argue that when people like Lexi, or Bree on this page, freak out on her, they're still helping her? Yes, the support they give her outside of that is valuable, but my point is that Annie cannot rely entirely on people whose own problems can end up hurting her. She also needs stable people who are always able to give her the help she needs.

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December 16th, 2015, 3:41 pm

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@Yan Mouson: When has Lexi freaked out on Annie and not helped her and sent her to a bad place? Feel free to name a time and place in the canon.
Bree is not part of Annie's support network because she doesn't know and isn't even considered a friend so much as a prospective relationship.

So lets see who is stable in her immediate network:
Dr Bernt (both)
Kora (despite being a cutter)
Erica (despite being autistic)
Lexi (despite having eating disorders and anger issues)
Wendy
Jamie
P
Sophie
Andrea (despite her history)
Valerie (even though she hates Annie)
Flint

Can you please tell me how ANY of those people cannot be depended on absolutely? You think that even when Lexi is really feeling it, she can't still support her sister? That people who are at their absolute worst don't know what they need to do to make sure that nobody else feels how they feel?

Maybe you can't. Maybe I can't. But I can tell you this. When someone needs help the most, and someone is suffering as badly as Kora has is needed, she will be able to help. She would rather die than let Annie down. She can't fix her own life, but she will be fucked if she can't be there when Annie needs her.

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December 17th, 2015, 12:22 am

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@GreenKrog: You're not asking that first question seriously, right? There's so many to pick from! Like this time: http://wildflowers.smackjeeves.com/comics/2004762/trick/
Yeah, I'm gonna have to go with that, mostly because I don't feel like going back down the whole archive.

Now, to answer your second question: she can rely on Dr Bernt, on Kora most of the time, on Erica I do have to ask how much Annie trusts her because she immediately assumed she was being blackmailed, I believe I've made my point on Lexi, Wendy doesn't know and is therefore of little to no help, we see Jamie, P, Sophie and Andrea so little that they barely even count as existing characters anymore, you kind of answered your own question with Valerie, but Flint is fine, I guess.

Still, list suddenly got a lot shorter, and the fact is that that's mostly due to several of the stable people in Annie's life dropping out of the story almost completely, which has been my point from the start.

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December 17th, 2015, 1:01 am

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@Yan Mouson: In the link, Lexi did indeed freak out. To which she immediately apologized and started to work on it with Annie, despite being very far away. She knew she screwed up and started to fix it. You know who else did that? Dr Bernt. And Sophie. And Vic. And damn near everyone else who is a human being an makes mistakes and then tries to correct them. Annie hung up on Lexi, not the other way around. So yes, I am still waiting for an example where she was not being supported by her sister. Had Annie given her another 20 seconds, they would have worked it out. You have failed to make your point - unless you believe that a person can only be supportive by never making a slip in words at any point whatsoever.

The only reason Annie can't rely on Dr Bernt is because she won't go to her when she needs to. She has never been turned away by Kora. She has never been turned away by Erica - and her assumption of blackmail was based on Annie's own insecurities, not on Erica's actions.
To have every other character in Annie's life show on a constant basis would stretch the four years it has taken to show this one year in to a much longer story which would drag beyond the point of having a purpose. Perhaps your life is structured differently than mine is - I can only assume so, because I have a really fucked up life. But I haven't seen the RMitch in about 8 years and I know that if I needed him for anything at any time, he would drop everything to help me. You think Mitch wouldn't do that for Annie right now? Or that Andrea wouldn't get her new parents to drive her to town at 3AM if Annie needed her there?

The list has not gotten any shorter, and it has certainly NOT gotten any shorter due to anyone with mental illness. YOU chose to make it about mental illness implying that people cannot be supportive. Annie's network has gotten bigger and bigger, and now she has more opportunity to go to the people she needs to go to when she needs to to go them and not have a limited selection to be scared of.

Unless your entire point here is that nobody else in the story should have nuance and character, because it would take away from the meat of things. Everyone should simply be a generic supportive wall or a moustache twirling villian, so it can be cut and dry.

Whatever your point is that you were trying to make, it needs to be restated in a way that can in some way counter the above arguments. As it stands, all you have done it make it clear that you seem to think that people must be absolutely stable to be able to help others, and that only the people within arms reach at any given time count as support.

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December 17th, 2015, 1:10 am

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@Yan Mouson: Just forget it. I've made whatever stupid point I was making or whatever and it doesn't matter any more. I'm too tired to try any more.

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December 17th, 2015, 2:22 am

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@GreenKrog: I am honestly very confused by all the assumptions you're making here. The only person making things cut and dry here is you: you're assuming that my opinion isn't nuanced at all. You're assuming that I'm speaking in absolutes, that I'm saying that because a character can't always be supportive, they can never be. I never said that, you decided that I did. At some point, I said something that offended you and that made me the bad guy, so obviously you had to interpret everything I said as some sort of evil strawman opinion that you could easily disagree with.

The thing you can't seem to understand, though, is that I'm not making universal observations about life here. I honestly don't think any opinion can hold up when applied to all of human experience, so I can only state an opinion specific to the situation I'm looking at, which is the comic. Everything I say is tailored to this story and therefore irrelevant to all others. That's including your personal life: even if it is the basis for the comic, you have stated yourself that it is a very loose adaptation.

What I'm observing here is that Annie's life is a never-ending spiral of depression, that she doesn't really trust most of her friends at school and they don't trust her much either, and that Cindi, Bree and Lexi, three of the most commonly seen characters, have all let their personal issues hurt Annie.

Your conclusion from that is that I think Kora, who I never actually said anything about, should kill herself. To that I say: seriously, what the fuck?

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