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posted April 11th, 2016, 2:01 am


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July 3rd, 2015, 1:27 pm

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Ok, so, this is going to be relevant, so pay attention. Annie is very drunk for basically the rest of the night. Usually I do a thing with the background to demonstrate her inebriated state to make it more clear. But in this case, there are too many pages to do it on and there are some action scenes that would look unmanagable if I did my usual background thing. So yes, she is as drunk as she usually gets, and she does not sober up for a long time. The red in her cheeks should generally demonstrate it. Her speech being slurred will also show how drunk she currently is.
Everyone got it? Thank you!

For actual content: Bree DID see Annie's cheek already. What happened? Essentially nothing.

And now everyone can start talking about trust and permission and if Cindi kissing Annie in this state is considered rapey or whatever because Annie is drunk. Here is my response.

NO. It is just two people, doing things together. Maybe Annie didn't come out and say 'yes, you may kiss me', but you wouldn't accept that anyways because Annie is drunk. I would counter and say Annie CHOSE to get drunk specifically so that she could loosen up and enjoy the evening, which is a form of tacit permission. That said, if Annie now rejects Cindi, and Cindi continues, then it is moving into bad territory.
There is a grey line between permission and implied permission. There is a line between drunken mistakes and rape. Everyone, do yourself a favour and go look up 'Factual Feminist' on youtube.

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April 11th, 2016, 2:14 am

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There's going to be... action scenes? I know this absolutely not what you mean by that, but now I can't stop imagining Annie in a trench coat and sunglasses, gunning down waves of bad guys with dual handguns.

I do wonder how Annie is going to sign with slurred speech like that. Pretty sure she's not gonna win. Also pretty sure she doesn't really care. I'm surprised that she doesn't seem to trust Flint, though. It's obvious he has the hots for Annie, but I've always seen him as way too respectful to ever try anything with her, maybe even to a fault.

Got to say your opinion on drunken consent is refreshing. There's a weird double standard where, if two drunk people have sex, the guy is now a rapist, in spite of the fact that they both agreed to sex under the exact same circumstances. Personally, I believe that people should be held accountable for their actions while drunk. It's one thing if no consent, or outright refusal is given, but you can't defend yourself due to drunkenness. It's another if you give consent, then decide the next day that you shouldn't have. Being drunk does not make you immune to bad decisions. If it did, running people over with your car on a bender wouldn't be a crime.

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April 11th, 2016, 12:05 pm

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@Yan Mouson: Second wave feminism fought tooth and nail to give women the right to make their own decisions and accept the consequences of them. They gave up the protected privilege of having a chaperone on dates, having a man be forced to take care of them, etc. They earned the right to have say over what they do with their body, including having sex with people they are not married to.

I am not a feminist by today's standards. But I am a second wave feminist till the end.

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April 11th, 2016, 1:26 pm

Yan Mouson

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@GreenKrog: I don't think there really are standards for feminism these days. Sounds to me like pretty much anyone can call themselves a feminist and associate whatever ideology they want to it. I haven't been able to find one coherent definition of feminism, and it seems to me that, with so many different feminist groups and ideologies, the word has been diluted into meaninglessness. It's the main reason I don't call myself a feminist: when you need to specify what kind of feminist you are, the label is just redundant and you might as well just skip that part and directly explain your opinions.

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April 12th, 2016, 7:17 am

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@Yan Mouson: People under consenting age, and those not of sound mind cannot legally consent to sex. Not of sound mind= mentally retarded, or inebreiated in any way, which is statutory rape. Which means in the eye of the law; just becausd both of you are on the same accord, you're both with clouded judgement. They call that over here; "date rape," but kissing ain't shit.

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April 13th, 2016, 2:37 am

Yan Mouson

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@JaxRhapsody: I'm not interested in the "eye of the law." The law isn't always right. Did you know that, in multiple states, it is legal to open fire on Native Americans if more than five of them are on your property? Personally, I'm far more interested in debating the morality of things than their legality.

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May 19th, 2016, 8:07 pm

Miiohau

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@Yan Mouson: Consent is a complex issue. The law seems to mainly focused around using force to get sex without their consent is illegal. On the other side if explicit consent given and the person is capable of revoking it, you are the good. Between those two extremes are gray area of probably ok to impolite to near rape.
Then consent get complex. Statutory rape laws are based on the idea that an adult automatically has power over a minor. Some mental hospital polices assume the mentally ill may not be able to meaningful give implied consent because they not be able to say 'no' (For example a depressed person that can barely move). Then there Stockholm syndrome which is a very gray area, can a sufferer meaningfully give consent to his or her captor.

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