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posted April 20th, 2016, 2:01 am


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July 3rd, 2015, 2:38 pm

GreenKrog

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I hope you can all see the difference between Cindi sneaking a kiss on a drunken Annie, and this guy forcing himself after being told no outright. If she had kissed him before recognizing him, would that have been rape? Or would it just her being lose and enjoying her sexuality with an attractive partner? She made choices, and Cindi made choices, and this guy made choices. Nobody lost control, or if they did, it was in a way that was partially or fully consented by the other party.

But THIS is WRONG. This is not some rape culture bullshit, this isn't a mistake, this is use of force (force can be emotional, mental, or physical, and in this case it is physical).

...sorry, I have problems with the 'rape culture' stuff going on these days. It takes away women's rights to enjoy their sexuality and make mistakes and learn from them, like any other human being does in any other aspect of life.

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April 20th, 2016, 2:30 am

Yan Mouson

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To be honest, I think the only difference between this and Cindi kissing Annie is severity. I'm not saying this isn't wrong, I'm saying Cindi wasn't in the right either. I mean, obviously this is much, much worse, but still.

You may argue that Annie gave at least partial consent, but did she? Because she also consented to following a guy who tried to rape her. She is very clearly in no state to give consent to anything.

I don't believe blame can always be directed toward a single person. So yeah, this situation is partly due to Annie's absolutely horrible decision making, but of course that doesn't excuse the rapist. Likewise, Annie let Cindi kiss her because she was drunk to a point where she can't even recognize people, but I don't think Annie's mistake excuses Cindi from taking advantage of her.

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April 20th, 2016, 8:04 am

JohnR (Guest)

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There's a difference between 'making a mistake' - deciding you shouldn't have slept with someone because it was a stupid idea, or you were unhappy and seeking validation, or they were a jerk, or you didn't enjoy it - and rape - being coerced or forced into sex against your will (or you were too drunk to be coherent). In the former case, the responsibility is yours; in the latter, theirs. Rape culture permits and encourages men to take sex even in the face of a refusal, which is (pretty much by definition) rape, whereas giving explicit consent at the time of sex (in the absence of coercion) is taking personal responsibility. If more people took responsibility for their actions, the world would probably be a better place, the US would not be one of the world's most litigious societies, and more corporate executives would be in prison. :)

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