Cautionary

posted July 7th, 2017, 2:01 am


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June 2nd, 2017, 2:15 am

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Logical error: how can Annie sleep with Bree and not let her know she is trans? Mrs white, you make good coo-- er, make no sense.

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July 7th, 2017, 3:16 am

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Ooooookay? Was not expecting this. Time to speculate.

So, at this point it's safe to assume that Bree has some sort of personality disorder, which I've suspected for a while.

We've also known for a long time that Bree has a history of being... less than trustworthy. She's also shown a tendency for emotional dependence, and excessive reactions to perceived betrayals. And we now know that her own mother describes her as unstable and thinks she should absolutely not be informed that Annie is trans.

So, from all that information, I'm going to take a guess and say that Bree likely has Borderline Personality Disorder. BPD is characterized by emotional dependency, fear of abandonment, manipulative behavior and unstable emotional states. For example, someone with BPD might go from loving someone to hating them because of a minor slight, and then shift back to loving them just as easily. People with BPD tend to have very unstable relationships as a result, as well of a bad habit of not thinking ahead.

This does not mix well with having a closeted trans partner. Let's say Bree has BPD and learns that Annie is trans. She might not take it well, immediately start hating Annie over it and out her to everyone as a result. Or, if she takes it well, she might still out her as revenge for some other minor thing in the future.

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July 7th, 2017, 10:26 am

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@Yan Mouson: While a good guess, you have missed the mark. The key to what is wrong with Bree was laid out when Annie first met Mrs White, but unless you know specifically what you are looking for, you won't see it. Aside from that, her condition is also characterized by unstable personality and manipulation, so you did nail those. Though another thing you may have missed, BPD does not have chemical intervention, and Bree has been on pharmacueticals for this. It is interesting how BPD and this condition overlap - indeed, it has led to men getting out of relationships to associate the two when it is not the same. When I say men, I mean, men and lesbians, since BPD vastly disproportionately affects women.

I feel like I need to do a bit of a public service announcement because I have BPD. It is quite true that I am emotionally unstable, fear abandonment, and exceedingly codependent. However, since I recognize this as a problem, I am non-manipulative to the people in my life. To everyone else (readers, passerbys, clients I manage) I am very manipulative, because it is easy to do.

If you think that a person you are in a relationship with may be borderline, it is a discussion you need to have with that person. They might simply have no idea. I was diagnosed as bipolar just out of high school, but every psychologist missed that I was borderline with dissociative symptoms until last year. I had no idea that it even existed as a thing until things got really bad. My point is, it isn't fair to you OR to your partner if either of you is being manipulated or emotionally hurt due to BPD. And if the relationship does end because you bring it up, then it should have ended.
Note: BPD doesn't tend to prompt revenge behavior, as one of the characteristics is an unstable personal image. It usually prompts internal revenge than it does against someone else. This is because the person with BPD would rather take it out on themselves than risk losing the person they are with.

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July 7th, 2017, 12:04 pm

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@GreenKrog: Anti-social personality disorder perhaps? There's a lot of overlap between BPD and APD, especially in women. Although at her age it would be considered conduct disorder since APD can't be diagnosed until adulthood. Knowing what she did to Dallas would help. I had thought that she did something in Dallas, TX but now I'm starting to think Dallas was possibly a Trans person. As someone who struggles with APD I've seen more of myself in Bree than Annie should be comfortable with. That being said, just because she has a mental illness doesn't mean she can't rise above it and have a healthy relationship, she and Annie will just have to communicate and be honest with each other. Which will be hard but not impossible.

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July 7th, 2017, 1:38 pm

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@Iona: Again, a nice try, but nope. It is simpler and more horrifying than these things. It is something that apparently cannot be overcome, not that people don't try.

Funny that you said she did something to the city of Dallas, because when I first wrote down 'because of Dallas, Zora', I thought it was about a city too! Turns out, nope, it is about a person named Dallas.

As for Bree and Annie having a healthy relationship? It is very possible. Incredibly difficult, but, possible. At the moment, it seems implausible that either of them have the emotional capability of doing it. We will see how it plays out though, as I still don't know how it ends myself!

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July 8th, 2017, 12:56 am

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@GreenKrog: I made that guess because I've had... some secondhand experience with BPD. My sister has it. She's a pretty intense case, probably mixed with histrionic personality disorder (there's apparently a lot of overlap between those two). Let's just say she's not an easy person to be around.

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July 7th, 2017, 3:39 pm

FireBrimstoneGravel (Guest)

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I have to wonder if it's psychopathy. Given how people who know Bree have acted, it feels like a natural response when you know someone is a psychopath (or at least heavily suspect it).

The comment Mrs. White makes about Bree liking music ("Really. Sabrina said she likes music") I brushed off at first, but if Mrs. White is looking at how Bree might be manipulating Annie (after all, it's something that Annie holds dear to her) then her comment makes a lot more sense.

All of that being said, you mentioned she's on pharmaceuticals for that. As far as I know, there's nothing that would be prescribed to her. Unless there's some comorbidity involved, in which case that makes more sense but I can't really pinpoint what the second one would be.

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July 7th, 2017, 5:00 pm

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@FireBrimstoneGravel: ...as once again my browser hits submit and the comment vanishes forever in to the nether, and Lazarus doesn't work in Firefox. Swell. And I'm at work so I can't really type out the 15 min response again. Sorry.

Yes. You are correct.

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July 8th, 2017, 2:23 pm

Dewdadewdew (Guest)

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@GreenKrog: I was thinking that but didn't want to say it due to the way that accusation is usually... handled.

Perfect sense though. Redheads really are soulless! Jk.

Have you known a real psychopath? I'd love to hear about it.

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July 16th, 2017, 2:36 pm

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@Dewdadewdew: I am the closest person to psychopathy in my life. Part of being borderline and dissociative is that you might have an 'off' switch where you simple stop feeling emotions. This includes self preservation instincts as well.

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July 19th, 2017, 8:00 pm

Lex-Kat (Guest)

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@GreenKrog: Looking back to #1508- Conspiracy (Dec 21st), everything makes a lot more sense.

I knew there was a reason I distrusted her from then on.

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July 9th, 2017, 10:14 pm

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I was going to guess psychopathy, or flat out multiple personality. But based on one of your replies to someone else about the comment Brees mom made, definitely leaning towards psychopathy. Since her mom was surprised about her liking something.

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July 16th, 2017, 2:38 pm

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@Guest: That is the main thing, and was lost in the comment that my web browser devoured. There is evidence that the emotional component that allows most people to enjoy music is missing in psychopaths. While the sample size is not large enough yet to see if this is consistent enough to be diagnostic criteria, is it prevalent enough to be considered standard.

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July 10th, 2017, 2:08 am

AuroraSnorealis (Guest)

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I forget how exactly she knows Annie is trans. Depending on the context of that, it might just be that she doesn't know much about how it all works and just assumes Annie is already post-operation. (As far as the "just sleep with her and go without telling her you're trans" logic.)

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July 16th, 2017, 2:43 pm

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@AuroraSnorealis: She doesn't know Annie is trans through any way except looking at her. One of my greatest regrets in my art is that I cannot make Annie look 90% female and just that liiiiiittle bit male that makes observant people see it. Like the majority of trans people that I've seen, nobody would think twice about M/F unless they look closely. But some people do look that closely. That, or Mrs White has a heightened sense of 'who is trans' for some reason, likely related to why they warn that Bree is bad news.

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July 18th, 2017, 6:14 am

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I just wanna say; holy shit, and we now know what level of crazy Bree might be. Next is the mystery of Dallas and whatever the fallen angel guild or whatever is...all this cryptic stuff.

One of my exes has BPD. I don't think she's all that bad. I kinda wish she didn't dump me, I still love her.

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August 17th, 2017, 12:39 pm

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I've never heard of BPD until a week ago. I reviewed all the symptoms and I would say that they pretty much described me some seven years ago. I know that I can't give myself such a diagnosis, but it sure sounds like it was me. How I got out of it was hitting rock bottom and building myself up again very slowly.

Excerpt from google:
"People may experience:
Behavioral: antisocial behavior, compulsive behavior, hostility, impulsivity, irritability, self-destructive behavior, self-harm, social isolation, or lack of restraint
Mood: anger, anxiety, general discontent, guilt, loneliness, mood swings, or sadness
Psychological: depression, distorted self-image, grandiosity, or narcissism
Also common: risky behavior or thoughts of suicide"

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August 17th, 2017, 3:06 pm

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@claredin: I am glad you have managed to recover from it. I haven't been able to get there yet. But it has been almost a full year since I hurt myself, and it has been a full year since I tried to off myself. So.. improvement all around.

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